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Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used bby people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk>
Hello all. It is a good statement, however, did you also talk about how the statement should be proliferated or used in wider circles? BR. Jesper. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used bby people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk>
Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used bby people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk
Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: * Typing error: used bby people -> used by people * I noted the word "competency" and thought it should be "competence", but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. * What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? * Suggestion: What about substituting "people with blindness" with "blind people", at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk> Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used bby people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk>
Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk> Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: * Typing error: used bby people -> used by people * I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. * What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? * Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk<mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk>> Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk>
Hello Tina. I personally dislike the persons withBlindness, andprefer Person who is blind, or Blind and partially sighted in a broader context. As for publishing it is fine that there is a statement on the website. The last linewhich reads: The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland I think we should add that it is a collaborationbetween the national Braille councils the respective countries. BR. Jesper. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 23:06 Til: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk> Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: * Typing error: used bby people -> used by people * I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. * What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? * Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk<mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk>> Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk>
Hi Tina, This is excellent work! Thank you so much for doing it. I support the comments from the others on the list. I just want to add one more. I think you should move the last sentence to the top of the document and insert “the Braille committees” in it, like this: “The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille committees of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland.” In the following sentence there’s a “T” missing in “The”: “he ability to read Braille …………” I know that “people with blindness” is an expression frequently used by special teachers. We have it in Norway to, “mennesker med blindhet”. Even if I don’t like the expression, I think you should feel free to use it. Best regards, Nina Musikkpunkt og sangeri, Nina Tveter Granebakken 58 1284 Oslo Fra: Jesper Bentil Holten via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Sendt: onsdag 1. november 2023 08:59 Til: Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk>; Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hello Tina. I personally dislike the persons withBlindness, andprefer Person who is blind, or Blind and partially sighted in a broader context. As for publishing it is fine that there is a statement on the website. The last linewhich reads: The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland I think we should add that it is a collaborationbetween the national Braille councils the respective countries. BR. Jesper. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 23:06 Til: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> > Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: * Typing error: used bby people -> used by people * I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. * What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? * Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk <mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk> > Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk
Dear all, Sorry about the long period of silence. Once again, I have managed to fill my schedule. Thank you for your comments about the introductory text and the perspective on blindness. I personally don’t like “med blindhed” in Danish, but I like it very much in English. “People who are blind” softens “blind people”, but to me, it is basically the same. Nevertheless, I have rephrased blindness mainly to “persons who are blind”. Any more comments? Who dares 😊 Only joking. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for persons who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for persons who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for persons who are blind. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Best regards, Tina Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk> Fra: nina.tveter@gmail.com <nina.tveter@gmail.com> Sendt: 1. november 2023 11:01 Til: 'Jesper Bentil Holten' <Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk>; Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk>; 'Hans Anton Ålien' <hans.alien@vegvesen.no>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hi Tina, This is excellent work! Thank you so much for doing it. I support the comments from the others on the list. I just want to add one more. I think you should move the last sentence to the top of the document and insert “the Braille committees” in it, like this: “The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille committees of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland.” In the following sentence there’s a “T” missing in “The”: “he ability to read Braille …………” I know that “people with blindness” is an expression frequently used by special teachers. We have it in Norway to, “mennesker med blindhet”. Even if I don’t like the expression, I think you should feel free to use it. Best regards, Nina Musikkpunkt og sangeri, Nina Tveter Granebakken 58 1284 Oslo Fra: Jesper Bentil Holten via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: onsdag 1. november 2023 08:59 Til: Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk<mailto:jh86@kk.dk>>; Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hello Tina. I personally dislike the persons withBlindness, andprefer Person who is blind, or Blind and partially sighted in a broader context. As for publishing it is fine that there is a statement on the website. The last linewhich reads: The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland I think we should add that it is a collaborationbetween the national Braille councils the respective countries. BR. Jesper. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 23:06 Til: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people who are blind. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk> Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: * Typing error: used bby people -> used by people * I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. * What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? * Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk<mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk>> Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk>
Dear all, I haven’t yet had the opportunity to read through all of the comments as I have been ill until now, so someone might already have mentioned this. I apologize in advance if that turns out to be the case. When referring to visually impaired people in general, the most commonly used phrase in English is VIP (visually impaired people), which might be worth taking into consideration. Kind regards, Anne Sofie Med venlig hilsen Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen IKT-/AC projektmedarbejder IBOS - Forløb _________________________________________ KØBENHAVNS KOMMUNE Socialforvaltningen Borgercenter Handicap Rymarksvej 1 2900 Hellerup Direkte 3945 2585 Mobil 2152 0173 E-mail pn1j@kk.dk<mailto:pn1j@kk.dk> EAN 5798009681249 Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Sendt: 7. november 2023 15:14 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Sorry about the long period of silence. Once again, I have managed to fill my schedule. Thank you for your comments about the introductory text and the perspective on blindness. I personally don’t like “med blindhed” in Danish, but I like it very much in English. “People who are blind” softens “blind people”, but to me, it is basically the same. Nevertheless, I have rephrased blindness mainly to “persons who are blind”. Any more comments? Who dares 😊 Only joking. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for persons who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for persons who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for persons who are blind. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Best regards, Tina Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk> Fra: nina.tveter@gmail.com<mailto:nina.tveter@gmail.com> <nina.tveter@gmail.com<mailto:nina.tveter@gmail.com>> Sendt: 1. november 2023 11:01 Til: 'Jesper Bentil Holten' <Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk<mailto:Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk>>; Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; 'Hans Anton Ålien' <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hi Tina, This is excellent work! Thank you so much for doing it. I support the comments from the others on the list. I just want to add one more. I think you should move the last sentence to the top of the document and insert “the Braille committees” in it, like this: “The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille committees of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland.” In the following sentence there’s a “T” missing in “The”: “he ability to read Braille …………” I know that “people with blindness” is an expression frequently used by special teachers. We have it in Norway to, “mennesker med blindhet”. Even if I don’t like the expression, I think you should feel free to use it. Best regards, Nina Musikkpunkt og sangeri, Nina Tveter Granebakken 58 1284 Oslo Fra: Jesper Bentil Holten via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: onsdag 1. november 2023 08:59 Til: Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk<mailto:jh86@kk.dk>>; Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hello Tina. I personally dislike the persons withBlindness, andprefer Person who is blind, or Blind and partially sighted in a broader context. As for publishing it is fine that there is a statement on the website. The last linewhich reads: The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland I think we should add that it is a collaborationbetween the national Braille councils the respective countries. BR. Jesper. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 23:06 Til: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people who are blind. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk> Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: * Typing error: used bby people -> used by people * I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. * What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? * Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk<mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk>> Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk>
Hi all, Well done, tina. I think the statement now is only one second from being ready for publishing on our websites, and I look forward to it. I’m afraid the discussion about how to define the group who reads braille will be a never-ending story, unless we don’t terminate it now. I think, though, that it’s more important to finish the statement and publish it, than to find an expression about braille users that everyone can go for. I have no strong opinion abut it, but I tend to agree with John. I like the expression “blind and severely partially sighted”, because it’s right to the point in few words, and because most of the visually impaired do very well without braille. Nevertheless, if you choose another expression, I’ll go for that to. I was uncertain about the first letter in the word “braille”, so I looked it up on RNIB’s website. There the word “braille” is being written with a small “b” unless it’s a part of a heading. I think we should do the same. Best regards, Nina Fra: John Heilbrunn <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk> Sendt: tirsdag 7. november 2023 16:20 Til: Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen <PN1J@kk.dk> Kopi: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft What Sofie says is true, but I would in this contextwith Braille use either Blind orblindBlinde and severely partially sided persons. Visually impaired persons. VIP is much broader and my may in many cases not apply to the context or the group of persons that we deal with in the braille environment Den 7. nov. 2023 kl. 15.46 skrev Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> >: Dear all, I haven’t yet had the opportunity to read through all of the comments as I have been ill until now, so someone might already have mentioned this. I apologize in advance if that turns out to be the case. When referring to visually impaired people in general, the most commonly used phrase in English is VIP (visually impaired people), which might be worth taking into consideration. Kind regards, Anne Sofie Med venlig hilsen Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen IKT-/AC projektmedarbejder IBOS - Forløb _________________________________________ KØBENHAVNS KOMMUNE Socialforvaltningen Borgercenter Handicap Rymarksvej 1 2900 Hellerup Direkte 3945 2585 Mobil 2152 0173 E-mail <mailto:pn1j@kk.dk> pn1j@kk.dk EAN 5798009681249 Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: 7. november 2023 15:14 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Sorry about the long period of silence. Once again, I have managed to fill my schedule. Thank you for your comments about the introductory text and the perspective on blindness. I personally don’t like “med blindhed” in Danish, but I like it very much in English. “People who are blind” softens “blind people”, but to me, it is basically the same. Nevertheless, I have rephrased blindness mainly to “persons who are blind”. Any more comments? Who dares 😊 Only joking. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for persons who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for persons who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: 1. Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for persons who are blind. 2. Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. 3. Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Best regards, Tina Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk Fra: nina.tveter@gmail.com <mailto:nina.tveter@gmail.com> <nina.tveter@gmail.com <mailto:nina.tveter@gmail.com> > Sendt: 1. november 2023 11:01 Til: 'Jesper Bentil Holten' <Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk <mailto:Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk> >; Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; 'Hans Anton Ålien' <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hi Tina, This is excellent work! Thank you so much for doing it. I support the comments from the others on the list. I just want to add one more. I think you should move the last sentence to the top of the document and insert “the Braille committees” in it, like this: “The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille committees of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland.” In the following sentence there’s a “T” missing in “The”: “he ability to read Braille …………” I know that “people with blindness” is an expression frequently used by special teachers. We have it in Norway to, “mennesker med blindhet”. Even if I don’t like the expression, I think you should feel free to use it. Best regards, Nina Musikkpunkt og sangeri, Nina Tveter Granebakken 58 1284 Oslo Fra: Jesper Bentil Holten via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: onsdag 1. november 2023 08:59 Til: Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk <mailto:jh86@kk.dk> >; Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hello Tina. I personally dislike the persons withBlindness, andprefer Person who is blind, or Blind and partially sighted in a broader context. As for publishing it is fine that there is a statement on the website. The last linewhich reads: The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland I think we should add that it is a collaborationbetween the national Braille councils the respective countries. BR. Jesper. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 23:06 Til: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: 4. Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people who are blind. 5. Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. 6. Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> > Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: 1. Typing error: used bby people -> used by people 2. I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. 3. What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? 4. Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk <mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk> > Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: 7. Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. 8. Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. 9. Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk _______________________________________________ Nordicbraille mailing list -- nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> To unsubscribe send an email to nordicbraille-leave@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille-leave@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>
Hello Nina. I think Braille should be capitalized, further some organisations of the Blind define Braille with capital B, but it is not yet universal alas. I can however live with it either way, it is a detail after all. Fra: nina.tveter@gmail.com <nina.tveter@gmail.com> Sendt: 7. november 2023 21:55 Til: John D. Heilbrunn (privat) <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk>; Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen (KbhK) <PN1J@kk.dk> Cc: Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hi all, Well done, tina. I think the statement now is only one second from being ready for publishing on our websites, and I look forward to it. I’m afraid the discussion about how to define the group who reads braille will be a never-ending story, unless we don’t terminate it now. I think, though, that it’s more important to finish the statement and publish it, than to find an expression about braille users that everyone can go for. I have no strong opinion abut it, but I tend to agree with John. I like the expression “blind and severely partially sighted”, because it’s right to the point in few words, and because most of the visually impaired do very well without braille. Nevertheless, if you choose another expression, I’ll go for that to. I was uncertain about the first letter in the word “braille”, so I looked it up on RNIB’s website. There the word “braille” is being written with a small “b” unless it’s a part of a heading. I think we should do the same. Best regards, Nina Fra: John Heilbrunn <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk<mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk>> Sendt: tirsdag 7. november 2023 16:20 Til: Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen <PN1J@kk.dk<mailto:PN1J@kk.dk>> Kopi: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft What Sofie says is true, but I would in this contextwith Braille use either Blind orblindBlinde and severely partially sided persons. Visually impaired persons. VIP is much broader and my may in many cases not apply to the context or the group of persons that we deal with in the braille environment Den 7. nov. 2023 kl. 15.46 skrev Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>>: Dear all, I haven’t yet had the opportunity to read through all of the comments as I have been ill until now, so someone might already have mentioned this. I apologize in advance if that turns out to be the case. When referring to visually impaired people in general, the most commonly used phrase in English is VIP (visually impaired people), which might be worth taking into consideration. Kind regards, Anne Sofie Med venlig hilsen Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen IKT-/AC projektmedarbejder IBOS - Forløb _________________________________________ KØBENHAVNS KOMMUNE Socialforvaltningen Borgercenter Handicap Rymarksvej 1 2900 Hellerup Direkte 3945 2585 Mobil 2152 0173 E-mail pn1j@kk.dk<mailto:pn1j@kk.dk> EAN 5798009681249 Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 7. november 2023 15:14 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Sorry about the long period of silence. Once again, I have managed to fill my schedule. Thank you for your comments about the introductory text and the perspective on blindness. I personally don’t like “med blindhed” in Danish, but I like it very much in English. “People who are blind” softens “blind people”, but to me, it is basically the same. Nevertheless, I have rephrased blindness mainly to “persons who are blind”. Any more comments? Who dares 😊 Only joking. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for persons who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for persons who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: 1. Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for persons who are blind. 2. Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. 3. Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Best regards, Tina Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk> Fra: nina.tveter@gmail.com<mailto:nina.tveter@gmail.com> <nina.tveter@gmail.com<mailto:nina.tveter@gmail.com>> Sendt: 1. november 2023 11:01 Til: 'Jesper Bentil Holten' <Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk<mailto:Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk>>; Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; 'Hans Anton Ålien' <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hi Tina, This is excellent work! Thank you so much for doing it. I support the comments from the others on the list. I just want to add one more. I think you should move the last sentence to the top of the document and insert “the Braille committees” in it, like this: “The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille committees of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland.” In the following sentence there’s a “T” missing in “The”: “he ability to read Braille …………” I know that “people with blindness” is an expression frequently used by special teachers. We have it in Norway to, “mennesker med blindhet”. Even if I don’t like the expression, I think you should feel free to use it. Best regards, Nina Musikkpunkt og sangeri, Nina Tveter Granebakken 58 1284 Oslo Fra: Jesper Bentil Holten via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: onsdag 1. november 2023 08:59 Til: Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk<mailto:jh86@kk.dk>>; Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hello Tina. I personally dislike the persons withBlindness, andprefer Person who is blind, or Blind and partially sighted in a broader context. As for publishing it is fine that there is a statement on the website. The last linewhich reads: The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland I think we should add that it is a collaborationbetween the national Braille councils the respective countries. BR. Jesper. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 23:06 Til: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: 1. Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people who are blind. 2. Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. 3. Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk<mailto:ibos@kk.dk> Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no<mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no>> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: 1. Typing error: used bby people -> used by people 2. I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. 3. What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? 4. Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk<mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk>> Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk<mailto:JH86@kk.dk>>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>> Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no<mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: 1. Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. 2. Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. 3. Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. 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Hi everyone We in the Icelandic braille committee are happy with the statement as it is and I think we can go ahead and publish it as soon as we have reached consensus on these last issues that have been raised here. Thank you Tina for drafting the statement and keeping track of the suggestions for changes. It has been great to see such an active dialogue here on the email-list, hopefully that is a trend that will continue. Last but not least we want to thank you all again for a great meeting in October, it has really given us inspiration and fresh wind in our sails. Best wishes, - Hjalti ke 8. marrask. 2023 klo 7.29 Jesper Bentil Holten via Nordicbraille ( nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no) kirjoitti:
Hello Nina.
I think Braille should be capitalized, further some organisations of the Blind define Braille with capital B, but it is not yet universal alas. I can however live with it either way, it is a detail after all.
*Fra:* nina.tveter@gmail.com <nina.tveter@gmail.com> *Sendt:* 7. november 2023 21:55 *Til:* John D. Heilbrunn (privat) <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk>; Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen (KbhK) <PN1J@kk.dk> *Cc:* Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no *Emne:* [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft
Hi all,
Well done, tina. I think the statement now is only one second from being ready for publishing on our websites, and I look forward to it.
I’m afraid the discussion about how to define the group who reads braille will be a never-ending story, unless we don’t terminate it now. I think, though, that it’s more important to finish the statement and publish it, than to find an expression about braille users that everyone can go for. I have no strong opinion abut it, but I tend to agree with John. I like the expression “blind and severely partially sighted”, because it’s right to the point in few words, and because most of the visually impaired do very well without braille. Nevertheless, if you choose another expression, I’ll go for that to.
I was uncertain about the first letter in the word “braille”, so I looked it up on RNIB’s website. There the word “braille” is being written with a small “b” unless it’s a part of a heading. I think we should do the same.
Best regards,
Nina
*Fra:* John Heilbrunn <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk> *Sendt:* tirsdag 7. november 2023 16:20 *Til:* Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen <PN1J@kk.dk> *Kopi:* Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no *Emne:* [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft
What Sofie says is true, but I would in this contextwith Braille use either Blind orblindBlinde and severely partially sided persons. Visually impaired persons. VIP is much broader and my may in many cases not apply to the context or the group of persons that we deal with in the braille environment
Den 7. nov. 2023 kl. 15.46 skrev Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no>:
Dear all,
I haven’t yet had the opportunity to read through all of the comments as I have been ill until now, so someone might already have mentioned this. I apologize in advance if that turns out to be the case.
When referring to visually impaired people in general, the most commonly used phrase in English is VIP (visually impaired people), which might be worth taking into consideration.
Kind regards,
Anne Sofie
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*Fra:* Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille < nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> *Sendt:* 7. november 2023 15:14 *Til:* nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no *Emne:* [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft
Dear all,
Sorry about the long period of silence. Once again, I have managed to fill my schedule.
Thank you for your comments about the introductory text and the perspective on blindness. I personally don’t like “med blindhed” in Danish, but I like it very much in English. “People who are blind” softens “blind people”, but to me, it is basically the same. Nevertheless, I have rephrased blindness mainly to “persons who are blind”.
Any more comments? Who dares 😊 Only joking.
Nordic Braille Meeting 2023
The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland
On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below.
Braille means access
The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for persons who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society.
Braille is the basis of learning for persons who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille.
Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain.
Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to:
1. Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for persons who are blind. 2. Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. 3. Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper.
Best regards,
Tina
Med venlig hilsen
*Tina S. Thøgersen*
Læse- og studievejleder
IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede
Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup
+45 39 45 25 96
JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk
*Fra:* nina.tveter@gmail.com <nina.tveter@gmail.com> *Sendt:* 1. november 2023 11:01 *Til:* 'Jesper Bentil Holten' <Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk>; Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk>; 'Hans Anton Ålien' <hans.alien@vegvesen.no>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no *Emne:* SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft
Hi Tina,
This is excellent work! Thank you so much for doing it. I support the comments from the others on the list. I just want to add one more. I think you should move the last sentence to the top of the document and insert “the Braille committees” in it, like this: “The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille committees of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland.”
In the following sentence there’s a “T” missing in “The”:
“he ability to read Braille …………”
I know that “people with blindness” is an expression frequently used by special teachers. We have it in Norway to, “mennesker med blindhet”. Even if I don’t like the expression, I think you should feel free to use it.
Best regards,
Nina
Musikkpunkt og sangeri, Nina Tveter
Granebakken 58
1284 Oslo
*Fra:* Jesper Bentil Holten via Nordicbraille < nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> *Sendt:* onsdag 1. november 2023 08:59 *Til:* Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk>; Hans Anton Ålien < hans.alien@vegvesen.no>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no *Emne:* [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft
Hello Tina.
I personally dislike the persons withBlindness, andprefer Person who is blind, or Blind and partially sighted in a broader context.
As for publishing it is fine that there is a statement on the website.
The last linewhich reads:
The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland
I think we should add that it is a collaborationbetween the national Braille councils the respective countries.
BR. Jesper.
*Fra:* Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille < nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> *Sendt:* 31. oktober 2023 23:06 *Til:* Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no *Emne:* [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft
Dear all,
Thank you for your good comments and corrections.
Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland.
I have corrected “used by”.
I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word.
Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people.
I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning?
Nordic Braille Meeting 2023
The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland
On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below.
Braille means access
The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society.
Braille is the basis of learning for people who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille.
Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain.
Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to:
1. Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people who are blind. 2. Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. 3. Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper.
Med venlig hilsen
*Tina S. Thøgersen*
Læse- og studievejleder
IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede
Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup
+45 39 45 25 96
JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk
*Fra:* Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no> *Sendt:* 31. oktober 2023 13:37 *Til:* Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no *Emne:* SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft
Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great!
Just a few minor comments/suggestions:
1. Typing error: used bby people -> used by people 2. I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. 3. What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? 4. Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of?
Regards,
Hans
*Fra:* John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk> *Sendt:* tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 *Til:* 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no *Emne:* [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft
Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put.
Love
John
*Fra:* Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille < nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> *Sendt:* 30. oktober 2023 22:52 *Til:* nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no *Emne:* [Nordicbraille] Statement draft
Dear all,
I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day.
The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration.
Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations.
Nordic Braille Meeting 2023
On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below.
Braille means access
he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society.
Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille.
People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain.
Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to:
1. Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. 2. Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. 3. Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper.
The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland
Med venlig hilsen
*Tina S. Thøgersen*
Læse- og studievejleder
IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede
Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup
+45 39 45 25 96
JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: ibos@kk.dk
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Dear all, Thanks, Tina, for your excellent work with formulating the statement. In Norway we now consider your text as a fully finished statement, and as such we are publishing it on our website. Except from the heading, we won’t change a word. The heading, however, needs to be more describing if sent to the Nordic Council of Ministers. We’ve therefore changed it to: The Importance of Braille Statement from the Nordic Braille Committee 2023 Don’t wory! This heading matches the first sentence in the text perfectly. 😊 So far so good. Next step nw is to pass the statement over to the Nordic council of Ministers. I hope you in Denmark Will follow up by doing it. Best regards, Nina Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Sendt: tirsdag 7. november 2023 15:14 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Sorry about the long period of silence. Once again, I have managed to fill my schedule. Thank you for your comments about the introductory text and the perspective on blindness. I personally don’t like “med blindhed” in Danish, but I like it very much in English. “People who are blind” softens “blind people”, but to me, it is basically the same. Nevertheless, I have rephrased blindness mainly to “persons who are blind”. Any more comments? Who dares 😊 Only joking. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for persons who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for persons who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for persons who are blind. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Best regards, Tina Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk Fra: nina.tveter@gmail.com <mailto:nina.tveter@gmail.com> <nina.tveter@gmail.com <mailto:nina.tveter@gmail.com> > Sendt: 1. november 2023 11:01 Til: 'Jesper Bentil Holten' <Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk <mailto:Jesper.Bentil.Holten@blind.dk> >; Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; 'Hans Anton Ålien' <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hi Tina, This is excellent work! Thank you so much for doing it. I support the comments from the others on the list. I just want to add one more. I think you should move the last sentence to the top of the document and insert “the Braille committees” in it, like this: “The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille committees of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland.” In the following sentence there’s a “T” missing in “The”: “he ability to read Braille …………” I know that “people with blindness” is an expression frequently used by special teachers. We have it in Norway to, “mennesker med blindhet”. Even if I don’t like the expression, I think you should feel free to use it. Best regards, Nina Musikkpunkt og sangeri, Nina Tveter Granebakken 58 1284 Oslo Fra: Jesper Bentil Holten via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: onsdag 1. november 2023 08:59 Til: Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk <mailto:jh86@kk.dk> >; Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hello Tina. I personally dislike the persons withBlindness, andprefer Person who is blind, or Blind and partially sighted in a broader context. As for publishing it is fine that there is a statement on the website. The last linewhich reads: The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland I think we should add that it is a collaborationbetween the national Braille councils the respective countries. BR. Jesper. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 23:06 Til: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between the Braille councils of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access The ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people who are blind in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people who are blind, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. Braille users constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people who are blind. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> > Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: * Typing error: used bby people -> used by people * I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. * What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? * Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk <mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk> > Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk
I agree with jesper. Warm regards John Fra: Jesper Bentil Holten via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Sendt: 1. november 2023 08:59 Til: Tina Thøgersen (privat) <jh86@kk.dk>; Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Hello Tina. I personally dislike the persons withBlindness, andprefer Person who is blind, or Blind and partially sighted in a broader context. As for publishing it is fine that there is a statement on the website. The last linewhich reads: The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland I think we should add that it is a collaborationbetween the national Braille councils the respective countries. BR. Jesper. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 23:06 Til: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no <mailto:hans.alien@vegvesen.no> > Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: * Typing error: used bby people -> used by people * I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. * What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? * Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk <mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk> > Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk
This issue with blind persons, persons who are blind, persons who are struck with blindness and so on and so forth are sticky issues. I think that persons who are blind or blind users etc is great. Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 23:06 Til: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Dear all, Thank you for your good comments and corrections. Jesper asked where to publish it and how to use it. As I understood it, our hosts would like to have a statement on their website: Icelandic national institute for the blind, visually impaired, and deafblind in Iceland. I have corrected “used by”. I have looked up “competency”. The choice of competency vs. competence is a grey zone in this case. As I understand the descriptions of the two words, competence would refer to everyone’s competences to use Braille, whereas competency would mean a professional knowledge about Braille. We do need that, but the final goal is to maintain and develop competences for each individual. So, I think competence is our preferred sense of the word. Regarding blind people vs. people with blindness, I am very loose in my attitude, but I intended not to hurt any of you😊 Sometimes with blindness is nice and formal. I have written blind people one time now. Try to read it, and find out if it would be more direct, casual, authentic, whatever if I change it to blind people. I have added a fairly long introduction and a heading. Is it a good frame, or is our message drowning? Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competence among users and teachers on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk Fra: Hans Anton Ålien <hans.alien@vegvesen.no> Sendt: 31. oktober 2023 13:37 Til: Tina Thøgersen <JH86@kk.dk>; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: SV: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Thank you very much, Tina! This looks great! Just a few minor comments/suggestions: * Typing error: used bby people -> used by people * I noted the word “competency” and thought it should be “competence”, but after a Google search I see that you might have chosen your word for a good reason, though I am not sure. * What about including something about our meeting, for example simply that we gathered in Reykjavik on October 25 and 26? * Suggestion: What about substituting “people with blindness” with “blind people”, at least once, or is there something about identity and politics I am not aware of? Regards, Hans Fra: John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps <jdh@oejenhoejde.dk <mailto:jdh@oejenhoejde.dk> > Sendt: tirsdag 31. oktober 2023 10:46 Til: 'Tina Thøgersen' <JH86@kk.dk <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> >; nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Re: Statement draft Quite well put tina. If the issue on braille education at a competent level is included in your bullet 3, I think the wording and goals are well put. Love John Fra: Tina Thøgersen via Nordicbraille <nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> > Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 22:52 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no <mailto:nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no> Emne: [Nordicbraille] Statement draft Dear all, I also wish to thank you for two very nice days with very good presentations. I enjoyed Iceland very much and hope to come back there some day. The remaining participants at the meeting on Thursday agreed to formulate a statement about the common goals of our collaboration. Here is an attempt. I was given very free hands, so please feel equally free to suggest corrections and alterations. Nordic Braille Meeting 2023 On October the 25th and 26th, we gathered in Reykjavik for our annual meeting in the Nordic Braille Committee. At the meeting, we shared news from each country and enjoyed presentations about Braille and mathematics, revision of the Danish Braille code, the bumpy path to make good Braille music on paper, the development of a multi-lined Braille display intended for images and a presentation manifesting the usability and necessity of Braille for blind people in all aspects of life. All of this together resulted in a wish to communicate the need for Braille as we do below. Braille means access he ability to read Braille at a proficient level is crucial for people with blindness in order to pursue our dreams of education, employment and leisure activities as equal members of society. Braille is the basis of learning for people with blindness, not an additive. Braille allows for learning how to spell for immersion and for a sense of space. Reading with sound cannot substitute reading Braille. People with blindness constitute a very small group, and knowledge of Braille and how to teach it is therefore scarce and difficult to maintain. Through our collaboration in the Nordic Braille Committee, we strive to: * Raise awareness of the necessity of learning Braille for people with blindness. * Pursue the recognition of Braille as a writing system on equal terms with the print alphabet used by people with sight. * Ensure a high level of competency on Braille and Braille reading strategies digitally as well as on paper. The Nordic Braille Committee is a collaboration between Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland Med venlig hilsen Tina S. Thøgersen Læse- og studievejleder IBOS - Instituttet for Blinde og Svagsynede Rymarksvej 1, DK-2900 Hellerup +45 39 45 25 96 <mailto:JH86@kk.dk> JH86@kk.dk, sikker e-mail: <mailto:ibos@kk.dk> ibos@kk.dk
Hello Tim. Thank you very much. It was a very good presentation you made on Thursday Morning. Thank you for the link. It will be most interesting to see how this evolves over time! Fra: Tim Arborealis <tim.arborealis@mtm.se> Sendt: 30. oktober 2023 17:45 Til: nordicbraille@list.punktskriftutvalget.no Emne: [Nordicbraille] STEM working group Hi everyone, Thank you for a very interesting and fun meeting in Reykjavik. It was great to meet so many of you in person. At the meeting we decided that I will coordinate a first meeting of a working group for STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics). If you are interested in being part of this group, please email me at tim.arborealis@mtm.se<mailto:tim.arborealis@mtm.se>. I will set up a digital meeting within the next few weeks where we can discuss how we want to organize ourselves. I will also invite my colleagues in the STEM working group at the Nordic agencies. As a bonus, if you want to know more about the tool we are translating, here is MathCAT's website: https://nsoiffer.github.io/MathCAT/ Best regards, Tim Arborealis Produktionshandläggare Myndigheten för tillgängliga medier, MTM Box 51, 201 20 Malmö Besöksadress: Hans Michelsensgatan 2, 211 20 Malmö Tel: 040-6532760| Mobil: 072-8542396 tim.arborealis@mtm.se<mailto:tim.arborealis@mtm.se> | www.mtm.se<http://www.mtm.se/> | www.legimus.se<http://www.legimus.se/> | Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/tillgangligamedier> [cid:image001.png@01DA0CF3.D1357A20] ________________________________ Alla personuppgifter som du lämnar till MTM kommer att behandlas i enlighet med reglerna i Dataskyddsförordningen (EU 2016/679). För mer information se MTMs Personuppgiftspolicy<https://www.mtm.se/hantering-av-personuppgifter/> All personal data that you provide to MTM through E-mail correspondence will be processed in accordance with the General Data Protection Regulation, GDPR (EU 2016/679). For information on how, please read MTM's Personal Information Policy at Personuppgiftspolicy<https://mtm.se/english/processing-of-personal-data/>
participants (9)
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Anne Sofie Marisa Jensen -
Hans Anton Ålien -
Hjalti Hynninen -
Jesper Bentil Holten -
John Heilbrunn -
John Heilbrunn - Øjenhøjde Aps
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nina.tveter＠gmail.com -
Tim Arborealis -
Tina Thøgersen